Blatant Lies? Or Clever Deception?

This is a zinger. Rick Warren laid out a long video message to his congregation on Sunday night where he DENIED equating gay relationships to incest. He said he NEVER did that. My previous post shows he equated gay MARRIAGE to incest. A very clever deception? Accident? Or blatant lies? You be the judge...

Gay's Can be Members now??

Apparently, someone has pulled some information from the Saddleback website which includes the part about how you cannot be a member if you don't repent from your gay lifestyle. Does that mean gays can be members now or dose it just mean Saddleback is trying to whitewash and water down their image? Check the cache of the page here. It looks very different now. Instead is a like to some audio clips about what Saddleback believes and one about how homosexuality is clearly wrong in God's eyes.

I still ask though - can gays now become members? Can someone answer this for me? If Saddleback thinks Homosexuality is wrong and thus you can't be a member because it's wrong in God's eyes then I still argue there are a whole lot of other people who should not be allowed to be members for "All have sinned and fallen short" (Romans 3:23).

So what gives? Why the removal? Is it a change in policy or an attempt to water down their image?

Remember what Rick Warren recently said about how gay marriage is equivalent to incest and child molestation:

New Saddleback Protest?

I'm proposing another Protest on Jan 18th at Saddleback. What do you all think? Who's in?

Considering Obama picked Warren to speak at his inauguration and considering Rick Warren has compared gay couples to incest...

Rick Warren is definitely climbing the anti-gay anti-equality list really fast. I don't think people are going to buy his "I'm accepting of gays" statement much longer and are starting to see right through that.

Rick Warren @ Obama's Innauguration?

Seriously President Elect Obama - what are you thinking? Thanks for the slap in the face for gays fighting for equality. I know you have placed many openly gay people in high level positions, but to place an openly anti-equality pastor into such a high profile roll in your inauguration?

Please go here and demand Obama rescind his invitation to Rick Warren. I've already done it. What are you waiting for?

Who voted for Prop 8?

We already know about the black vote. According to the OC Register, here is some more (not surprising) information:

Who voted yes:
85% of Evangelical Christians
77% of Republicans
70% of African Americans
62% of people without a college degree
61% of Hispanics
50% of Whites

Now are people still wondering why we protested outside Saddleback Church?

I love the statistic that 62% of people without a college degree backed it.

So the less educated also helped pass Prop 8. not a surprise to me at all. ignorance is bliss!

Sadly I fall into the 15% of Evangelical Christians who did not support Prop 8. I don't know if I should be horrified or surprised that there 15 out of 100 reasonable Evangelical Christians.

I wonder if polling had been done back in the day, how many Evangelical Christians would have supported Martin Luther's breakaway from the Catholic Church? Or the justification for slavery? Or the banning of interracial marriage? Hmmm....

Also:
Most voters agree that too much money was spent on the initiative campaigns (75%), the ballot wording was too complicated and confusing (63%), and that there were too many initiatives (52%).


And this from the Mercury News (as your education level goes down your chance of voting FOR prop 8 apparently went up):
EXCERPT: But while a majority of non-white voters backed a ban on gay marriage, the key finding in the new survey was that voters' position on Proposition 8 was determined more by their level of education and income than their race or ethnicity, said PPIC president Mark Baldassare. Among Californians with a high school diploma or less, 69 percent voted for Proposition 8. Among college graduates, 57 percent voted against it.

"Both among whites and non-whites, among college graduates and among upper-income voters, Prop. 8 lost," Baldassare said. "Among both whites and non-whites, among non-college graduates and lower-income voters, Prop. 8 won. It seems to me that some of what we attributed to race and ethnic differences really had to do with a socioeconomic divide in regard to same-sex marriage."